Meaning, everything, person, event, statement, that happens in the show... is canon.
That's what I was taking it to mean.
In which case, it isn't fanfiction if it doesn't use canon. Even in an AU, if fundamental aspects of character are retained ---and if they weren't than the characters wouldn't be recognisable-- then the writer is using canon:
Even if you wrote a story about UNCLE-Zarblat on the planet Zarblat in the year 6930 with all different characters and no one remembered that New York or any of their agents existed, so long as it's an UNCLE adventure---defeating wily bad guys at great personal peril, then it's canon.
Or if you took Mr. Waverly and wrote a complex AU drama about him doing missionary work in the jungle and falling in love with a chess master....It's Waverly, so it's canon.
At least, that's my understanding of the word. I feel like you must have a more rigid definition in mind in these poll questions otherwise I don't understand them. Hence my query. I'm curious what specifically you mean by canon. My interpretation is clearly too broad.
Coming into fanfiction, I knew nothing - had never even heard of this genre until three years ago. The idea of canon being at the core of the fiction indicated to me that the story should be recognizable by including those elements by which we define MFU. Obvious things would be Napoleon as a wallflower with low self-esteem and Illya a tireless womanizer. To me, that is non-canon. The organization, the setting and the people within that setting are canon, as are the recognizable villains or at least facsimiles of them that fit within the description of who UNCLE goes to battle with. Apparently everyone who voted has some idea of canon, and their preferences concerning it. I would go so far as to say that slash is non-canon, and therefore without appeal for me, much as if it were making Illya an American or a woman. The same for Napoleon. When you change who they are, then it isn't canon, for me. Others have different descriptions, perhaps, but some things are truly written in MFU stone, like the organization, the jobs they do and world in which they live. In any event, as this little experiment shows, people do have some construct in mind of what canon is and how it affects them as both reader and writer. How broad that interpretation is will ultimately be up to the individual on some level, although I believe St. Crispins might disagree slightly. In the end, it's all entertainment and POV.
Thanks for this clarification, Glenna. Good examples. Certainly there seems to be a little wiggle room for subjectivity, but I do feel clearer on what you're getting at.
And the poll answers are quite interesting. I wonder how much the poll-takers would differ on their definitions of canon....what examples of stories/elements they might use to demonstrate canon/not...
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Date: 2013-03-01 02:04 pm (UTC)That's what I was taking it to mean.
In which case, it isn't fanfiction if it doesn't use canon.
Even in an AU, if fundamental aspects of character are retained ---and if they weren't than the characters wouldn't be recognisable-- then the writer is using canon:
Even if you wrote a story about UNCLE-Zarblat on the planet Zarblat in the year 6930 with all different characters and no one remembered that New York or any of their agents existed, so long as it's an UNCLE adventure---defeating wily bad guys at great personal peril, then it's canon.
Or if you took Mr. Waverly and wrote a complex AU drama about him doing missionary work in the jungle and falling in love with a chess master....It's Waverly, so it's canon.
At least, that's my understanding of the word.
I feel like you must have a more rigid definition in mind in these poll questions otherwise I don't understand them. Hence my query. I'm curious what specifically you mean by canon. My interpretation is clearly too broad.
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Date: 2013-03-01 02:18 pm (UTC)Obvious things would be Napoleon as a wallflower with low self-esteem and Illya a tireless womanizer. To me, that is non-canon.
The organization, the setting and the people within that setting are canon, as are the recognizable villains or at least facsimiles of them that fit within the description of who UNCLE goes to battle with.
Apparently everyone who voted has some idea of canon, and their preferences concerning it. I would go so far as to say that slash is non-canon, and therefore without appeal for me, much as if it were making Illya an American or a woman. The same for Napoleon. When you change who they are, then it isn't canon, for me.
Others have different descriptions, perhaps, but some things are truly written in MFU stone, like the organization, the jobs they do and world in which they live. In any event, as this little experiment shows, people do have some construct in mind of what canon is and how it affects them as both reader and writer. How broad that interpretation is will ultimately be up to the individual on some level, although I believe St. Crispins might disagree slightly.
In the end, it's all entertainment and POV.
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Date: 2013-03-01 11:52 pm (UTC)Certainly there seems to be a little wiggle room for subjectivity, but I do feel clearer on what you're getting at.
And the poll answers are quite interesting. I wonder how much the poll-takers would differ on their definitions of canon....what examples of stories/elements they might use to demonstrate canon/not...
A thought-provoking poll.
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Date: 2013-03-02 03:11 am (UTC)